Post by debbiewigley on Nov 27, 2009 12:48:43 GMT 1
I am a resident of Spondon who is 100% against the proposed incinerator that will pollute an already industrially polluted village. I have two young children and live right in the middle of the area where it is accepted the air will be affected. It is also widely scientifically accepted that pollution, and especially toxic pollution is very bad news. I genuinely believe my childrens health will be detrimentally affected by this incinerator. There is valid evidence to lead me to believe this. I have studeied both sides of the arguement.
I have to say before I continue that I will be coming to the N'hood forum meeting on the 2nd if I can arrange childcare. I sincerely hope while I am there I will again hear you attempt to belittle any member present regarding their written, or spoken English- re your post above (reply #9) If you are such an active member of N'hood forum matters then I suggest you stop attempting to discriminate against or mock other members of our community in this way- just because they have challenged you.
I would also like to remind you that the amount of time a person has lived in a place does not in any way reflect their right to a point of view regarding their home. I have livded in Spondon for less than a year. I have an equal right to campaign for clean air for my children as you have to defend those who wish to introduce yet more dirty technology into South Spondon.
Just because the chair of 'Cleaner Greener Spondon' has been working to improve Spondon for x amount of years it does not mean he is in any way representing the best interests of the future generations of Spondon by openly supporting this proposal for incineration for Spondon. I do not deny the obvious respect he deserves as somebody who has worked for the good of spondon in the past.
His stand here, in my view does indeed make a mockery of the 'Cleaner Greener Spondon' notion in every way possible.
I believe incineration is a lazy fix to a problem that with some work and investment can have viable and valid alternatives. Remember (whatever your personal opinion is) This issue is NOT, as often suggested- a simple choice between landfill or incineration. Even if it were where do the pro incineration people propose the ash will go? It will of course go to landfill. Both landfill and Incineration are at the bottom of the Waste Hierarchy. Recycling and the Zero Waste are at the top.
I will personally take the time to send you some starters so you can do your own resarch for information regarding how I, and many other like minded people propose the 'inevitable' waste is dealt with. You only have to look at some authorities (windsor being one) around the Uk, Europe (many Italian authorities are gaining great progress towards zero waste), and the world- Nova Scotia, San Francisco. We are in our infancy as regards the possibilities of recycling. Industry and commerce does not yet even have any legislation that makes it recycle. This is shameful. This is the sort of thing we must be asking questions about to all of our elected representatives.
Once a new wave of incinerators are established across the UK, (or anywhere) there is an immediate disincentive to continue the good work started re recycling, composting etc. I agree that there is some waste that cannot be recycled/ composted but I think we would all be very surprised at how little this could be after reaching the potential for recycling. Please do your own research regarding the altenatives. I find people are more open to learning if they have found the information out for themselves. Start with anerobic digestion (this may be spelt wrong).
Two incinerators with the huge need for waste that will be required to make them profitable will surely have to mean a reduction in recycling as they will need the materials to go in to produce the (very inefficient) energy. You talk of domestic waste as a lie! Cyclamax themselves have stated in their application that they will have the capacity to and will consider collecting municipal waste also.I have read it. Of course they will say this. If both Derby incinerators get built they will both be chasing the same waste. Except the Cyclamax one is the only one that says it will accept municipal and industrial/ hazardous. So yes it is likely that Spondon alone could well indeed be the dumping ground for all of Derby and Derbyshires waste. Unless our communities say no to any incinerators in our county and indeed country. There is time for our authorities to get seroious about the alternatives. As far as I understand it the landfill problem is not yet as urgent as it is suggested by some. Industry must be made responsible for reducing their waste, we must not see their huge waste production levels as 'inevitable'. They do not need to be. there are some reports that industry is in fact beginning to realise the potential for recycling. Householders must also be made responsible for their contributions to the waste problem.
It is very niaeve (that may be spelt wrong) to think that we will reach any meaningful goals for recycling and reducing waste when we've got a huge incinerator sitting in Spondon needing to be fed all the high calorie (plastics/paper etc) 'rubbish' that it will need to keep it profitable. Cyclamax will not go out of business- the recycling industries will go out of business becasue to incinerate is actually easier and far less complicated...until we start thinking about the effects it will have on the populations who live downwind of the plume. The research linking this type of technology to seroius health problems is there. Cyclamax have no actual emission date to offer us. This plant would be an experiment. I haven't given my consent to be experiemented upon.
I have to say before I continue that I will be coming to the N'hood forum meeting on the 2nd if I can arrange childcare. I sincerely hope while I am there I will again hear you attempt to belittle any member present regarding their written, or spoken English- re your post above (reply #9) If you are such an active member of N'hood forum matters then I suggest you stop attempting to discriminate against or mock other members of our community in this way- just because they have challenged you.
I would also like to remind you that the amount of time a person has lived in a place does not in any way reflect their right to a point of view regarding their home. I have livded in Spondon for less than a year. I have an equal right to campaign for clean air for my children as you have to defend those who wish to introduce yet more dirty technology into South Spondon.
Just because the chair of 'Cleaner Greener Spondon' has been working to improve Spondon for x amount of years it does not mean he is in any way representing the best interests of the future generations of Spondon by openly supporting this proposal for incineration for Spondon. I do not deny the obvious respect he deserves as somebody who has worked for the good of spondon in the past.
His stand here, in my view does indeed make a mockery of the 'Cleaner Greener Spondon' notion in every way possible.
I believe incineration is a lazy fix to a problem that with some work and investment can have viable and valid alternatives. Remember (whatever your personal opinion is) This issue is NOT, as often suggested- a simple choice between landfill or incineration. Even if it were where do the pro incineration people propose the ash will go? It will of course go to landfill. Both landfill and Incineration are at the bottom of the Waste Hierarchy. Recycling and the Zero Waste are at the top.
I will personally take the time to send you some starters so you can do your own resarch for information regarding how I, and many other like minded people propose the 'inevitable' waste is dealt with. You only have to look at some authorities (windsor being one) around the Uk, Europe (many Italian authorities are gaining great progress towards zero waste), and the world- Nova Scotia, San Francisco. We are in our infancy as regards the possibilities of recycling. Industry and commerce does not yet even have any legislation that makes it recycle. This is shameful. This is the sort of thing we must be asking questions about to all of our elected representatives.
Once a new wave of incinerators are established across the UK, (or anywhere) there is an immediate disincentive to continue the good work started re recycling, composting etc. I agree that there is some waste that cannot be recycled/ composted but I think we would all be very surprised at how little this could be after reaching the potential for recycling. Please do your own research regarding the altenatives. I find people are more open to learning if they have found the information out for themselves. Start with anerobic digestion (this may be spelt wrong).
Two incinerators with the huge need for waste that will be required to make them profitable will surely have to mean a reduction in recycling as they will need the materials to go in to produce the (very inefficient) energy. You talk of domestic waste as a lie! Cyclamax themselves have stated in their application that they will have the capacity to and will consider collecting municipal waste also.I have read it. Of course they will say this. If both Derby incinerators get built they will both be chasing the same waste. Except the Cyclamax one is the only one that says it will accept municipal and industrial/ hazardous. So yes it is likely that Spondon alone could well indeed be the dumping ground for all of Derby and Derbyshires waste. Unless our communities say no to any incinerators in our county and indeed country. There is time for our authorities to get seroious about the alternatives. As far as I understand it the landfill problem is not yet as urgent as it is suggested by some. Industry must be made responsible for reducing their waste, we must not see their huge waste production levels as 'inevitable'. They do not need to be. there are some reports that industry is in fact beginning to realise the potential for recycling. Householders must also be made responsible for their contributions to the waste problem.
It is very niaeve (that may be spelt wrong) to think that we will reach any meaningful goals for recycling and reducing waste when we've got a huge incinerator sitting in Spondon needing to be fed all the high calorie (plastics/paper etc) 'rubbish' that it will need to keep it profitable. Cyclamax will not go out of business- the recycling industries will go out of business becasue to incinerate is actually easier and far less complicated...until we start thinking about the effects it will have on the populations who live downwind of the plume. The research linking this type of technology to seroius health problems is there. Cyclamax have no actual emission date to offer us. This plant would be an experiment. I haven't given my consent to be experiemented upon.